Friday, October 31, 2008

Farrah,

I have some good news for you. You don't need to worry any longer, because you've been completely mislead and lied to -- common nefarious acts of the Yes on 8 campaign. I can understand your concern about freedom of religion, but nowhere does it say that religions will possibly face lawsuits if they decide to discriminate against gays. If you can find any documentation or proof to the contrary, PLEASE share it with the group. Since you won't be able to find any, you might want to post a link to this website on your blog -- it dispels all the myths about Proposition 8:
http://www.noonprop8.com/about/fact-vs-fiction

Fiction: Churches could lose their tax-exemption status.
Fact: Nothing in Prop 8 would force churches to do anything. In fact, the court decision regarding marriage specifically says “no religion will be required to change its religious policies or practices with regard to same-sex couples, and no religious officiant will be required to solemnize a marriage in contravention of his or her religious beliefs.”

Religions have, and will always have the right to discriminate and deny marrying anyone they want, including homosexual couples, without them increasing their risk of being sued. Yep, you've been lied to, and it's so unfortunate that you believed it because it's obvious that you're a really smart girl, but I'm concerned that people less intellectually gifted will fall victim to the lies even more easily. But, as they say, the truth will set you free...

Seriously think about it... Does it really make sense that the state would deny religions the right to discriminate? That would mean that two Catholics could sue a Mormon church for deciding to not marry them. Really??? Marriage and religion are not married. Since when does religion have a monopoly on marriage? I'll repeat myself -- Since when does religion have a monopoly on marriage? Two atheists can get married, and be legally recognized by the government as a married couple, right? I'm sure their marriage wouldn't hold up in most churches... but does that really matter? No, because it holds up in court. Like atheist couples, a gay couple simply wouldn't go to a church that doesn't recognize their marriage. In fact, they probably wouldn't go to a church at all. Imagine that -- marriage without a church! :)

Also, consider this: My identical twin brother is straight and I'm gay. We were raised by the same parents and have identical DNA. Why should I be denied the same rights that he's afforded?

With all due respect Farrah, if in fact you are an ardent supporter of gay rights, or civil rights in general, you should seriously reconsider your position because you've been straight-up lied to. And you wouldn't want a lie to be the reason you voted in favor of discrimination, would you?

-Nathan

2 comments:

KEL said...

I'm rather perplexed that Nathan would say a gay couple would probably not go to church at all. Are all homosexuals atheists? I sincerely doubt this like I doubt statements that all gays are out to destroy my beliefs. I also doubt the No on 8 Campaign is full of selfless people *without agendas* (same as with the Yes people and I have seen their propaganda).

This is a difficult topic with high emotions. However, telling someone they're not pro-human/civil rights because they place a larger importance on the definition of traditional marriage than you do does a disservice to freewill. It also undermines and devalues past experiences and stances Farrah has taken. The crux of the issue Nathan brings up is what/where/how is the essence of αγαπη, the pure love of Christ or charity. However Prop 8 is about the definition of marriage and NOT about charity. This is how “they get you.” Both sides obfuscate the heart of the issue by making someone who disagrees feel shame.

Perhaps we should be worried about things like survival ship rights and making sure people get them who are in loving relationships no matter if I disagree with any aspect of their union.

Chase from Pepperdine said...

How can you call it mutually respectful when the very first line calls everyone who votes yes bigots?

Unbelievable how the no on 8 campaign calls the yes on 8 campaign liars. Have they even read the laws for themselves? Or do they just assume that because there isn't anything in it about churches or schools, it must not lead to any ramifications of that nature? I just went to a discussion by the ACLU with an ACLU attorney supporting no on prop 8. She successfully avoided answering any questions regarding ramifications and flat out told us there were ZERO ramifications should it fail. ACLU = misleading liars.